Riffs, to be honest, are VERY like looped Intros, the kind where you play the initial chord, and then it plays changes.

For me, it would be the perfect way to play a solo that uses a lot of bender, or (if you switch off the chord recognition) a really outside piano solo (that didn't send the chord recognition bananas) or pick up another instrument and solo, or go out front and mug with the audience, or anything you'd like (including that well deserved drink ), but there's no reason it couldn't have a nice solo in it for you to sit back and listen to...

Thing is, Ketron's Riff is ONE preset set of changes per style, and so far, no idea if you can add your own (I don't think the SD-1 could). Me, I'd rather have control over the changes....

On your Korg, you could import an SMF to one of the Intros, and loop it (can you loop intros like you can fills, with a double-tap?) to get pretty much the same thing, only at least YOU can program them (make an SMF of the arranger playing what changes you want, save it and import to an Intro). Sure, you lose an Intro... but who uses all four, anyway?

If you can't loop Intros, just either keep hitting it in the bar before it finishes, or put Intro on a pedal and hit that...

Four Intros and Endings on most arrangers, and who uses maybe more than one of each? That's six patterns you can put in... Intros for jam loops and break/fills or longer fills, and Endings for pauses (use autostart to come back in). There's a lot you can use these unused sections for. If you like Ketron's Riff feature, you can do it on your arranger even if it isn't in the basic feature set...

Hi Diki,
SD1+ didn't have riff function, that's why I wasn't sure of what it was.
Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Got my mind racing with possibilities.
I could sacrifice an Intro which would give me a solo for cv1 & cv2 to play with,
( the double tap works for looping the intro's, endings, as well as fills.)

Or I could sacrifice a variation, in which case I could end up with 6 solo's, one for each of the 6 cv's. A variation can be set to No Transposition same setting as used in an Intro that contains chord changes.

I split my keyboard as low as possible, ie only enough notes so that I can change from maj to min to 7ths etc ( ie assign a different chord type per cv).
The low split gives me the opportunity to solo using the rest of the keys without changing chords.
Split can be set independantly for each of the 4 variations, so the other 3 variations could be split for normal style play mode.

In " No transpose" setting the chord type is irrelavent, it's only used to trigger the various cv's. The actual setting for each of vthe tracks is done independantly.

All the cv's in the variation have to use the same instrumentation & the only time I'd have to do detailed editing would be for a Guitar Mode track Style. (Chord changes are done via velocity & a certain range of notes, so may cause a couple of problems.)

Don't know if it's unique to the Korg, but I beleive I could literally have a mix of midifile based variations( chord changes in the variation) along with normal style variations.
Don't know if there's any benefit musically, just find it interesting what can be done. haahaa

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diki:
[B]Riffs, to be honest, are VERY like looped Intros,

The Riff feature is not on the SD1. It was first introduced on the SD5. IMO, it's a great feature when playing live... I use it all the time. Makes for a nice segway between songs if you're playing a medley.

Glenn

Rikki, fwiw and going on my memory, what Diki is talking about is ONLY available for intro 1 on the PA series, where you can use a smf as the intro instead.

I could be wrong, but check it out..

Dennis

Hi Dennis,
for PA800
no,
"No Transpose" which is the setting
Intro 1 & Ending 1 uses ( by default)for Intro/Endings for onboard styles with chord changes, is actually a setting available on all the style parts. Don't know if you happen to remember, but all the style parts incl fills can be up to 32 bars long.

Only difference as far as I can tell between Intro's/Endings/Fills and Variations is
2 Cv's for I/E/F
6 CV's for Variations
and the way these parts are handled

ie variations automatically loop

Intro's go to a variation
Endings stop
fills play thru once & go to a variation
unless you tap any of the above twice & they'll also keep looping like a variation does.

What possibly made you beleive that Intro1/Ending1 were the only ones that could handle a chord progression was because of what's in the manual.

Manual has stuck to the basics. Users probably find the style structure confusing enough with it's 6cv's & 48 tracks & ntt settings etc without telling them, btw you can put a chord progression in a variation, or guess what , you can have a different time signature & tempo in each of your variations( not in the manual either).

Some of the stuff that can be done would only be suitable as a user style that the user has created for themself, if shared, you'd have to give instructions on how the style is to be played
ie btw only the bottom octave notes useable for chord changes as variation 4 contains 6 riffs.
c triggers cv1, cm :cv2, c7 cv3, cm7:cv4, c6:cv5 , cm6 cv6.
etc etc
I must admit I haven't tried it with 6 cv's , I've only tried it with 2 so far.

Only thing that may get in my way, is if there's a limit to the size of the style file.

Anyway I'm off to give it a go, just for the heck of it.

best wishes
Rikki

Okay Rikki, cool, thanks for the correction. Yeah I always thought it was possible to just import your 32 bar mini-midi file with all the tracks in place and then just recycle with a double tap, but clearly not.

Good luck, would be another "feather" for Korg if you figure it.

Dennis

I'm not saying the 'Riff' feature is useless. Simply that it is ROM only, hence the same every time. It would simply be MUCH more useful if you could program your own changes... which basically you can if you'll go to the bother of reprogramming your styles.

Me, with the Chord Sequencer, I used to be able to do it on the fly. Different every time. Sure, it's a great feature (feel better?), but doesn't it just cry out to be just a little BIT better..?

If you like 'Riffs', you'd LOVE the Chord Sequencer...

Yeah I have not used it Diki, but from your descriptions I reckon I would like it.

I have asked Dom a couple of times about it, but he thinks its more in the realm of the developers of the Qtractor...But maybe one day

Dennis

Yeah... a really cool thing I miss from my old G1000.... I really don't know why programmers removed it from G70, I think it's not to save RAM because saving chord progressions take only a few bytes (just the MIDI events of chord progressions have to be saved), nor Flash space for program code, since a chord sequencer routine could be only a few lines of code, it's really simple and the sequencer routines that can be used are already there, so I can only figure they removed it to save.... the space took by the two buttons!!!!

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Hi Diki,
I possibly had the Chord sequencer on the G800??? You're making me wish I'd tried it.
If it did have it, I know I never used used it.

The SD5/Audya riff function, does sound interesting though. Be easier to have dedicated buttons rather than using one of the style parts.

Still it's given me great food for thought, & something new to try on my Korg.

best wishes
Rikki